Congratulation !!!! Kamal Khan is the Saregamapa 2010 Winner. A very well deserved Victory and many many congratulation to Abhilasha Chellum 1st Runner Up and Bishakh Jyoti 2nd Runner Up for making it so far. They are definitely amongst the best singers in this season.
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Question for Kamal Khan acolytes – why didn’t V&S or S&W after renaming him, simply sign him up to sing playback for their movies if they were so sure of his prodigal talent? Why the unnecessary charade of a competition? They could have signed a contract with him restricting him to work for them only whereas now since everyone knows about him, music directors would be outbidding each other.
I am not questioning your devotion to him, I am just asking how come they didn’t put their money where their mouths are? Remember too, if 19 lakh votes were in his favor, 35 lakh votes were not. Majority thought he is not as good as you say.
I am not begrudging his crowning. As I have been saying for almost a month now, other than a certificate, a money prize or equivalent and a few gigs, the long-term effect of winning these competitions is unclear. The 2007 winner Aneek Dhar is relatively absent whereas Raja Hasan has been more conspicuous and has had many more playback singing opportunities.
For them to sign up anybody they want they are not czars of music industry. They themselves are at the mercy of their cheque signers.
What is ethically wrong in indulging in an act of sponteinty considering they are artists. You seem to be expecting 10/10 perfection in everybody’s actions.
Early fame [winning the competition etc.] has not done amy good for an artist as is proved by the case of Mozart who died due to poverty at a young age and MJ who died because of his fame!
The simple rule of that competition is whoever gets more votes wins. You need have to win all votes for you to be a winner.
There is no doubting the fact that Abhilasha’s talent is more polished than the winner’s. That does not mean that he can not be more polular – Kishore Kumar is more popular than Manna Dey because he struct a chord with the masses. But in true artstic circle’s Manna Dey gets more respect. It is for the artist to tackle these issues than us.
When you have discovered a singer who is as good as Nusrat, Rahat or Sukhwinder, why don’t you simply sign him up? It’s not as if producers and actors are going to complain that you have brought them one of the best talents out there. On top of that as srgmp has observed in one of his few lucid moments, the overwhelming number of well-known singers in bollywood were simply hired by music directors; they didn’t participate in competitions.
Does it not bother you that these guys desired a certain result right at the beginning and may have engineered that even though you yourself may agree with that result? What kind of a competition is it where the judges start out with a clear bias?
“V”, lately it’s been just too difficult to explain anything to you!! You just can’t comprehend anything!!
I will try again, just for you, giving you a benefit of doubt (because of you being not well and possibly under influence of medicines)!!
(1) The music directors don’t need to engineer anything, as they can (as they have, as I have observed in my ‘lucid’ moments) hire any singer they want. They just probably need to convince the producers. And as you have seen, almost all the producers/actors, who came to the show, got impressed by Kamal.
(2) Again, the music directors (our judges here) don’t need to engineer anything, putting theirs and show’s credibility at stack for some unknown singer!!
(3) Once again, the music directors (our judges here) don’t need to engineer anything, putting theirs and show’s credibility at stack for some unknown singer!!
(4) For the last time, the music directors (our judges here) don’t need to engineer anything, putting theirs and show’s credibility at stack for some unknown singer!!
I will simply tell you this:
There doesn’t seem to be anybody out there, who is suspecting any conspiracy.
There doesn’t seem to be anybody here (other than you and dear Kalaa), who is suspecting any conspiracy.
I can understand, that being a SrMgr at an MNC, Kalaa has a lot of time at her disposal, but you seem to be a reasonably intelligent guy. I don’t think, anything will come out of your shouting here. Everybody seems to be at peace with the results (regardless of Kamal probably been renamed).
I would suggest, you rather do something concrete about this, such as
(1) writing to Zee TV about your doubts (actually you seem to be almost sure), or
(2) filing a suite against Zee TV (you have enough evidences :-))!!) to have them make all their voting records available to public, or asking them why they renamed Kamal (and to force them to set up an independent committee to evaluate hypothetical possibilities of a different result, if Kamal were not given the last name ‘Khan’, making sure that racial or regional feelings are not hurt, and
(3) additionally, have this committee look into voting records/patterns/possibilities of manipulation, etc.)
Something concrete like that!!
Also, consider this simple thought:
If the judges liked Kamal the most (as normal human beings, same as majority of janta liked him from the beginning, and as many well known producers/music directors/actors/singers liked him the most), that doesn’t mean that they ‘engineered’ his victory. If it was up to the judges, probably Sniti would have been at least one of the first 3. They pampered her more than anybody else!!
srgmp
It’s all right, I am doing what gives me the most satisfaction – driving you up the wall!
srgmp
Majority means >50% even in India.
Sure, “V”. Keep dreaming.
I think, you should take a poll for that (who drove whom where?).
Unless, you gonna call that outcome a ‘set-up’, too!! :-))!!
Well, although I took you for a ride (or should I say, you were taken for a ride), my goal was not that small. My goal was to say the right thing (not even proving my point). You see, that’s the difference between you (or Kalaa) and me.
When you were proven wrong, you came up with the stupidest of ideas about conspiracy!! Not once, you have mentioned, what the motive could be for that! Now, have you?
You are expecting all here to believe, that the judges (who themselves are already very successful as music directors or singers), big shot music directors/producers (Sanjay Bhansali, Vishal Bhardwaj, A R Rahman, Ismail Darbaar), big shot singers (Alka Yagnik, Richa Sharma), big shot actors/actresses (Sanjay Dutt, Hrithik Roshan, Priyanka Chopra, Ranbir Kapoor, Salman Khan, John Abraham) – all of them would bend over their backs, just to make a Kamal Khan (whom not many knew before the show) a Singing Superstar? Who can be bigger fool than you?
No, V. Majority is not > 50%, when it’s a 3-way (or more) battle!! When it’s 2-way battle, by default it becomes > 50%. Otherwise, 50% is not an absolute number for majority!!
How long have you been out of India? Or, say out of touch with reality?
When votes in favor > votes NOT in favor, that’s a majority.
If you win with more votes NOT in favor, then it’s a plurality. This is an important distinction and not nitpicking.
Kamal Khan got 2/3 the votes on this site which is a huge victory, whereas in the actual competition he eked out a win.
WOW, you are die-hard, that I have to give you!!
Well, votes in favor of other person is not same as votes NOT in favor.
If they take your logic, most of the democracies in the world would collapse!!
Are you an MBA, too, by any chance?
See what I mean by lack of comprehension?
Votes against =/ votes NOT in favor
Votes NOT in favor means votes that went to someone else.
Some democracies work by majority. They have runoff elections when no one person secures a majority (i.e 50%) of the votes cast. In many democracies plurality is sufficient. Some democracies are republics. Some democracies have presidential form of government, etc.
I think that’s sufficient for now. If you need more help with comprehension and common sense, come back later.
Right when I thought I was out, you pulled me back in!!! (or something like that….)
Are you not going off-track? Are you not coming unhinged? Are you not being very naive? I am talking to you, “V”!!
No music director needs a singer to have won a competition before signing him!! I don’t think, Mohit or KK or Kunal or Asif (or many like them) have won any competition (Kunal actually lost badly, and went into depression). So, this was really a competition, not a charade!!
If Kamal didn’t get more than 50%, Abhilasha or Bishakh got even fewer!! Competition by nature is relative, did you NOT know that?
This crown is just the beginning, a launchpad for upcoming artists. Only fools will take it as the final destination. Even after winning (or loosing) it, it’s up to them to keep their heads straight, on their shoulders, and hike further towards their ultimate goals. Be it becoming a successful bollywood singer, or becoming a successful stage show artist, an individual album artist, or a music teacher!!
And I can add this : Kamal and Bishakh, however being humble, seem to be way more confident than Abhilasha. Kamal is going to stay for long. He has that charisma (like Raja Hassan) and a very straight head. Bishakh is a fighter. Abhilasha on the other hand, however confident face she put on, I think, is very fragile. I really like her singing. She actually has to face way way less competition than Kamal or Bishakh. She just needs to focus, and not take this (and Marathi SRGMP) defeat too seriously.
I am out again (unless you pull me back again!!)
I think we got the answer. Talent shone, later if not sooner. Kamal khan’s sung “Ishq Sufiyana” is wooing the nation. In his first playback solo, he has beaten all the big daddies of playback singing.
srgmp, calm down – quit acting like a headstrong child, and start acting your age.
Tumhare jaise buzurg se aisi baat shobha nahin deti.
Kalaa Dear,
You should actually stop acting like a headless child!! I mean, at least don’t act it out!! Aap jaise bachchon ko bolna hi nahi chahiye, nahi to sab ko pata lag jata hai, ke aap budhdhu ho!!
There were fanatic fans here before, who were very difficult to reason with. But nobody has been as moronic as you!! Well, good luck to you (you need it)!!
Archana, don’t you understand that “vote count” is meaningless when it’s as tiny as it is. Easily manipulated.
Do you know that even in the Indian goverment elections, votes are easily bought and manipulated? Then what chance does a vote count of a few lakhs – each of which cost pennies – really mean?
Until people understand this very basic issue, you’re not understanding V’s point.
Kalaa and V, why didn’t you tell all these before they announced winner?
Most of the things you are using as supporting arguments to prove this as a set-up, are from before the result came out (except change of name)!!
If more people were unhappy with the outcome (as in case of Sniti’s elimination), this forum would have been filled with comments (from different people, not just the Kala and V duo)!!
I didn’t find any article/blog on the net, where people are complaining about Kamal being the winner. Even here, where most of the people are NRIs, nobody (other than you two) seems to be unhappy (or at least entertaining any idea of this being a set-up)!! Kalaa, don’t you feel like you should shut up? I would (feel like shutting up) and I would (shut up)!!
Please add at the end above : (if I were you, and which I am thankfully not)!!
We can not rule out the Radia angle to this whole conspirarcy because she is also a Punjabi! JPC/CAG/CBI must probe this too!
Archana
I’ll alert Subramaniam Swamy!
I am not going to comment on it further because it would be an insult to the serene singing produced by the three young finalists.
All the best for all the three of them!
Kala(kar) & V,
I’ve read your responses in response to my earlier post. Just one thing if you could explain me in simple terms, apart from the contestant who else will gain benefit in pre-deciding #1, #2 and #3? if you say ‘judges’ then all judges would love to have their contestant to be #1. so, what’s your basis in claiming that these is all setup event.
srgmp has mentally disintegrated, lol.
iski dimagi haalat theek nahin hai. koi isse mental asylum mein pahuncha de.
Thanks, Kalaa, but I don’t intend to be in your company.
However, ask “V”. He might be interested.
V, let me address your question about why these music directors care about who is the winner.
Let’s see what would happen if Abhilasha was the winner and Kamal the runner up. Consider the following near future scenario. Producer= movie producer; V-S= Vishal-Shekhar, S-W= Sajid-Wajid.
Producer: Arre music director, idhar aao
V-S (or S-W): Yes sir?
Producer: I want a fresh look to my new movie. Koi naya talent istamaal karo.
V-S: Sir, we have decided to use Kamal, the new boy.
Producer: What? That guy who failed to win Saregamapa?
V-S: Sir, we have come up with a new sufi number, and Kamal would be ideal..
Producer: Arre, Rahat and Sukhwinder are knocking on my door every day, why you want to use a failed Saregamapa kid?
V-S: Sir….
Producer: Sir bir kuch nahin, I want you to use the winner Abhilasha. That girls sounds like the new age Lata. It would be great if we get the credit for introducing her to Bollywood.
V-S (unhappily): Jo hukam, sir.
V-S compose ordinary music, but Abhilasha’s rendition is extraordinary! Her songs are huge hits. She wins Filmare awards for best female singer and best newcomer. She becomes arrogant and refuses to do any more work for V-S. Which means that V-S cannot get any more contracts from producers. They fade away. Years later, a bitter and disillusioned V-S look back on their career, and reflect on the possibilities if they had handled things better.
Now, see my next post to see what could happen if they engineer a Saregamapa win for their boy.
Consider the scenario in which Kamal has won Saregamapa.
Producer: O music director, I want you to use new talent for my album.
V-S (or S-W): Yes sir, we will use the Saregamapa winner Kamal.
Producer: You don’t mean….
V-S: Yes sir, the same one whose name is Khan.
Producer: Kya baat hai! We will get to introduce the newest Khan to the industry! You are a genius!
V-S (shyly): Thank you, sir. Actually it was our idea to give him that name.
Producer: You don’t say! Ek kaam karo, change your name to Khan also. That will look even better on the credits.
V-S (doubtfully): But sir, airports mein takleef hoga.. last year, SRK ko America mein bahut problem diya…
Producer (angrily): What! You are not being humble!! Don’t you want my movie to succeed?
V-S (unhappily): Jo hukam, sir.
The movie is released, starring Khans as actors, music directors, and singer. It is a miserable failure, however, it wins Filmfare award for the maximum number of Khans in a movie.
Vishal Khan and Shekhar Khan live happily ever after.
Suno suno, Kalaa ki ek aur kahani!! Bhale hi boring aur stupid ho, MUFT mein hain!!
Haha, this is genuinely funny!
Was this movie named “Our Names are Khan”?
Wonder why they thought Khan would be a selling point?
Kala,
First of all thanks for putting it nicely though rest of your theory is simply based on your imegination i.e. Abhilasha refuse to sing for V-S (or anyone). V-S have made their mark (wehter myself or you & V like their compositions or not)…A singer would be fool to go against ANY leading music directors. So, I’m unable to buy your version. Also, why would any other winner e.g. Kamal or Bishakh would equally refuse to sing for V-S or S-W or Pajji. In this industry (Bollywood) you need to co-operate else they can kill your career.
V,
I was hoping a more sensible and intelect argument from you but your ‘Kahn’ theory is just laughable. Your acusitions are completely baseless. If you think anyone with last name ‘khan’ is a sellable item, you’ve some *other* problem.
Though one thing I don’t like about this show is they never disclosed votes during each eliminations through out the season…how do we know who had got how many votes…including the topper
Dev09
I didn’t advance Khan theory. Is lack of comprehension something you contracted from srgmp?
I agree with you though that for V&S, S&W or Daler to think Khan would be a more salable name was outright ridiculous. In that case, why don’t they all, as kalaa has brilliantly satirized, change their name to something more recognizable?
ok, ok, chill down pal. I just got mixed up…thought Kala was reponding on your behalf. Though don’t understand what planet Kala is living on. Not so long ago one of the Sniti Mishra’s fan (it was ‘Simarn’ .) who came up with similar sort of theory. According her ONLY ‘khan’ is a sellable comodity in India hence Kamal is the most popular…what a load of nonsense. Kamal got an excellent and natural voice quality..hence he won.
Kalaa is definitely an MBA!! Which MNC are you working for, Kalaa? I can be careful in buying stocks!!
Kamal was very well deserving as was Abhilasha. I wouldn’t say the same about Bisakh. He is a better performer but not as good a singer as the other two.
I just hope these guys don’t just fade away like winners/runner ups of other reality shows. They should be given a chance in Bollywood.
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